Curse

Tyrius · May 14, 2005, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Pure Monk

10 Healing
11 Smiting
10 Protection

1) Healing Touch [Healing Prayers] (5,1,5) Spell: Heal target touched ally for 16 health. Health gain from Divine Favor is doubled for this spell.

2) Orison of Healing [Healing Prayers] (5,1,2) Spell: Heal target ally for 20 health.

3) Reversal of Fortune [Protection Prayers] (5,0,2) Enchantment: The next time target ally would take damage, that ally gains that amount of health instead, maximum 15.

4) Symbol of Wrath [Smiting Prayers] (5,2,30) Spell: For 5 seconds, foes in this location take 25 holy damage each second.

5) Zealot's Fire [Smiting Prayers] (10,1,30) Enchantment: For 60 seconds, whenever you use a skill on an ally, all foes adjacent to your target are struck for 34 fire damage.

6) Mending [Healing Prayers] (10,2,0) Enchantment: While you maintain this enchantment, target ally gains health regeneration of +1.

7) Balthazar's Spirit [Smiting Prayers] (10,2,0) Enchantment: While you maintain this enchantment, target ally gains adrenaline and energy after taking damage.

8) Signet of Judgment [Smiting Prayers] (0,2,30) Signet: Target foe is knocked down. That foe and all adjacent foes take 59 holy damage. This is an elite skill.

What do you think?

What the max number of attribute points you can have?
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Jana · May 15, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Anariel · May 16, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

You need to put divine prayers in your monk build. I'd ditch either the smiting line or the protection line, probably the protection line since you want to hurt some mobs. But frankly it's better to just rely on your secondary for damage, because the monk smiting line seriously SUCKS. :P

Epinephrine · May 16, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Anariel

You need to put divine prayers in your monk build. I'd ditch either the smiting line or the protection line, probably the protection line since you want to hurt some mobs. But frankly it's better to just rely on your secondary for damage, because the monk smiting line seriously SUCKS. :P

I love well supported arguments.

Smiting doesn't suck; it has some of the best skills out there for what they do. Smite for example, on a ranger primary can be a 4 cost attack skill that deals pretty decent damage with no armour adjustment. Balthazar's spirit can fill you on energy and adrenaline really well. Zealot's Fire may sound weak, but doing a bit of extra fire damage with every heal is pretty nice. Judge's Insight boost damage versus Warriors by a lot. You can't simply say it sucks, it's a great line for what it does.

Zilm · May 16, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

I have seen Smit Hex typically do -50 to -60 apiece on swarming groups. What makes this spell work in PvE is the tendency for the AI to swarm and when available Hex the closest target. I hang back, wait for the massing and Hexing to start, waltz in and decimate mass groups. I have done mass attacks on on dead at -100 each!

When in PvP as a Mo nearly useless:-( But as a W/Mo Smited may be possible.

Anariel · May 16, 2005, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

I love well supported arguments.

Smiting doesn't suck; it has some of the best skills out there for what they do. Smite for example, on a ranger primary can be a 4 cost attack skill that deals pretty decent damage with no armour adjustment. Balthazar's spirit can fill you on energy and adrenaline really well. Zealot's Fire may sound weak, but doing a bit of extra fire damage with every heal is pretty nice. Judge's Insight boost damage versus Warriors by a lot. You can't simply say it sucks, it's a great line for what it does.

Smiting is a good line for monk secondaries, WHICH you name off here "ranger primary." But for primary monks (and believe me I've tried it), if it's not a monk/warrior it's useless. Now the original poster did not say that it would be a monk/warrior, AND did not put any points into swordsmanship etc. which are warrior skills, then I say this build is not very effective. PvE build monks generally shouldn't carry so many energy degenerating buffs.

Symbol of Wrath is good at the early stages combined with another aoe, but later on the monsters start to hit harder and harder, and soloing becomes pretty much impossible for a monk primary even a smiting/protection build. This is because of the fact that there are multiples of mesmer mobs that all shatter enchantment and point-blank aoe effects becoming less effective against monsters that use ranged attacks.

Unless you've played a monk primary for 20 levels you can't possibly tell me that smiting line is better than the nukes from elementalist secondary or damage/defense skills from a warrior secondary. So much of the smiting line is geared toward a monk secondary, because they require you to either be up close (tank role) or to use another class's skills (gaining adrenaline -- warrior only). The only time when smiting is worth it for monk primaries is on undead. But even then the warriors still expect the heals to be coming.

The other problem with this build is that the author is assuming that access to elite spells will be easy early in the game, which it is not. After Crystal Desert most primary monks will switch out of smiting/damage because there are so few of us left by then. Why do you think most monk primaries have NO damage skill or skills that target another? It's just harder and longer to take down mobs using ONLY monk primary skills. MOST smiting line spells either have a huge cooldown time (direct damage spells) OR have -energy associated with it. A smiting/protection monk primary that uses nothing from the subclass will not deal a lot of damage, and will die quite a lot trying to solo. Exceptions to this are highly situational (kill mirror mission).

Next time when you make an argument that so-and-so doesn't suck, tailor it to the situation at hand. Monk primaries don't make good smiters. Mesmer/monks, necro/monks, warrior/monks and ranger/monks DO.

Nlandge · May 17, 2005, 04:55 AM // 04:55

what kinda of pvm monk is what you have to decide, protection, smiting, healing, what? my monk is pure healer

if im going into an area wity alot of monsters i typically put on

healing breeze, orison, dwaynas kiss, word of healing, heal other, divine boon, purge conditions, rebirth

if there are just a few very high damage i use aura of faith instead of word of healing

Healing-14 (major rune and scalp tatoo)
divine favor-13(minor rune)

with aura of faith + divine boon i heal for close to 300 with orison. need alot of energy though. i have 49 and i cant stop running out.

hope this helps

(in my opinion simting spells are only good against undead. but maybe im wrong...)